Hi Xelory!
You want to compare dick with a finger? ;)

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FlexiContent is the CCK (Content Construction Kit). Good and simple component with basic cck functionality for typical sites. Excellent support.
Seblod is the WAB (Web Application Builder). Very powerful and flexible, a little cranky and little difficult to learn. Suitable for all types of sites. Low support. (I think, you know about the possibilities of the Seblod.)

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Regards
Vio

@vio.. which one is dick and which one is finger ?

"Better" is very ambiguous.. regarding feature of what you can do.. it simply what you can do with flexicontent is also what you can do with SEBLOD but not vice versa..

:D

Better Seblod. You can do anything, but it's a bit difficult to learn than flexi.

Hi all,

agree with you, but Flexicontent and extensions are free.. Seblod products are too expensive with no support or tutorials :(

Hi xelory,

I am a member of SEBLOD team. I will not say SEBLOD is the best and Flexicontent is the worst. We are professionals. It is the cck "SEBLOD" which speaks for itself.

However, I can not let them say huge silly things. When you spoke

Seblod products are too expensive with no support or tutorials

Did you just look at a message on the SEBLOD home page

SEBLOD = 1 component, 1 library, 7 modules, 78 plug-ins and 3 templates

I challenge all users of this forum to find a cck which offers as much free things as SEBLOD

Then yes we propose paying products but it must be put in context. When you have a professional member who has a customer. When this customer needs a feature. If can develop it, i think he will stay 1 day, 2 days, ... to finish his development. One day of development = 500€ for example ( in the real context this cost is lower than the reality ). In SEBLOD market, we propose plugins, templates, ... for 5€, 10€, ...I let you do the compraison and make conslusion.

Finaly, we propose many ways to help our community. manuals, tutorials, forum, bug tracker, live support.
It is much more difficult to write documentation for a cck thos size is like Joomla as writing a manual for a cck as FLEXIcontent; This is especially more costly and expensive We try to do that for our communauty for free.

For the quality of our forum, we try to respond to all posts very quickly. Everything can be improvable. For example, you sand a post yesterday, i respond you 1 day before.

Regards,
Mehdi.

Not to mention... the commercial products have Free Updates and Lifetime License. IMHO, that means a one-time payment :D

Hi to all,
well as I wrote I posted here and here I think most of us are not here for hobby, but for work. So, really I don't understand the 5€ problem (with respect of all of us).
Anyway, my opinion is clear:

• I would be happy to PAY for Seblod real Pro Support that help me to take right decisions, have documentations, develope apps and solve "bugs"!
• The same is for the Seblod Apps. Why not have and How can I pay for a "Seblod Pro" version where I can make one Seblod installation with all the apps included??? My problem is that I cannot go crazy looking for specific apps, pay 5 € for each apps and so on. I prefer to pay "100 €" one time and be sure to have all included on one single Seblod pro installation!

Hi,

I'm agree with you Mehdi, i'm not against to pay products, I just say they are maybe too expensive. The problem is that we can't try any paying product, mabe it will be interesting to have a sort of demo to see what the product can do.

Seblod is an incredible free product, but the documentation is poor. Maybe is it a team choice to not develop the documentation and to offer a paying formations.

I think Seblod can have more visibility with a good documentation and I don't understand why nobody make tutorials on sites like that.

Ragards. And thanks for Seblod.

Apart from features and usecases...
IMHO, the current FlexiContent version is a visual disaster in backend. For sure, the backend UI gives a lot of options... but everything is constantly displayed. The vast amount of checkboxes, options, filters is becoming a real problem. There are simply too many different styles and the allignment is a mess.
Don't get me wrong here, it is a versatile and powerful CCK / Directory extension. And it is nice to have a J!3 compatible version so soon, but not for the price of usability. IMHO, it doesn't work as a "combined" extension for both Joomla versions. The interface has to be rethought and optimized for J!3.5+.

Hi

About almost 2 years ago we were so tired of the joomla limits we almost decided to switch to ... drupal (yes!) but before what would have been a very big change for our team we tested the ccks for joomla.

We tested Cobalt (formerly mighty resources) , flexicontent, seblod, content builder, K2, zoo, fabrik .... for weeks and weeks.
We discarded the non 'native' solutions and Flexicontent was a quite good contender at that time.

However we discovered that the choice greatly depends on the goals you have. While Flexicontent was a good CCK if you want to replace various content extensions with only one, it failed to deliver a developpment framework for complex sites with highly related contents with complex dynamic views. It perfectly does its job but remains at the content level.

We saw Seblod as a graphical abstraction of a Joomla development framework. With Seblod you can modify com_content but also com_users. It's true many other ccks offer much more integrated 'out of the box' features (comments, sharings, notifications, bookmarks...) but they rarely fits the final customer needs.

We prefer starting from smaller 'lego' bricks and build exactly what we need. It may be a little longer at start but we end up with a complete production chain for a higher added value.

You also have to take care of the dev team. Most Joomla CCKs are developped by one or two people at most. Seblod has a stronger and skilled team I met a few times. This is important according to me.

As for the support level, we also complained about the lack of docs but Octopoos sells pro services that matches our requirements. My only real concern is the lack of transparency about the developpment. I wish we could be more on the seblod developpment on Github for example. That would help the dev team I believe and push seblod a bit more in the Joomla community.

So it really depends on what we are looking for.

Cyril

Funny thing. I've read your opinions regarding FLEXIcontent and decided to give it a try (because I'm working on Joomla 3.2 and cannot afford such a long stall). At first I was in awe. Then tried to dig deeper and this is when things went ugly.

First of all there is no way you could create a content type NOT including 'Joomla core fields'. They are assigned to every new content type you can come up with. Better yet - alias field is not included among these fields, so there is no easy way of manipulating it.

Another thing - you can't choose storage type. Every field except those core ones is saved in FLEXIcontent's own tables. Good thing about it is that table __content stays 'clean' the whole time though.

There were more problems I encountered, but here's the conclusion. FLEXIcontent is ONLY for webmasters who want to enrich standard articles. That's it. Forget about creating your own content types from a scratch.

So... I have to wait for SEBLOD 3.2, like everybody else here. D'oh!

Hi
At Pulsar we recently re checked all the CCK solutions around Joomla and frankly Seblod is according to me the best one by far. Not because of the features it offers out of the box (many other solutions offer more) but because of the approach taken.

Speaking with Joomla core developpers about the possibility of a in core CCK for Joomla 4 it seems Seblod has a great potential to make Joomla evolve in the right direction IF it gains a larger users and developpers community. Joomla main contributors don't put all the efforts in the Unified Model Content (UCM) which would be the basis of a built-in cck for Joomla 4. The model chosen is still to only propose a comon platform on which every third party contributors can propose solutions.

Compared to Drupal approach (which includes new extension in the core at each new version such as the cck) Joomla without a more integrated cck won't be able to compete for larger sites in a near future EVEN if I still believe Seblod is more advanced now than FIELD (the Drupal built-in cck).

Cyril

Hi
Does all CCK has post processing form ?
I mean process form content fields and record content to database ?
Regards'