We have been using SEBLOD with Yootheme WARP for years but the new YooThemePRO completely destroys the alchemy.
with YoothemePro the page is now brought by the content (json code in the article) whereas the core concept of Joomla is menu driven !
the module manager conflicts with the youthemepro layouts or at least becomes irrelevant but we do need modules positions ! In yoothemePro there is just a few module positions, so you can't put a dynamic seblod list module somewhere on your pages. You have to do it INSIDE the pagebuilder which means on each article: bye bye automatic pages !
youthemepro is incompatible with SEBLOD since both of them store datas in the article. When you use SEBLOD you no longer works with com_content but with com_cck. The pagebuilder buttons ond info no longer appears there
for me a complete failure and we need to find another templates framework: any suggestions ?
But I don't think you need those template frameworks if you create a specific website for a customer. Much faster to create your own Joomla! template using any front-end framework without problems. The above template frameworks are more suitable to create Joomla! templates for sale or for users who do not have the skills for web development.
I think for you as for developer, it is no problem to create a blank template and use for any project. On
GitHub there are such examples.
I personally stopped using template frameworks for clients. They don't need it.
So if any of you use Master Bootstrap 3, do you have any sites with a contact form?
And if so, have you tried it on a browser - within an app - on a mobile phone?
Interested to see if you have same experience as me
A vanilla Master Bootstrap 3 as the template applied...
...Submit form on front end...
...Failure - does not work on a browser within an app on a mobile phone [iPhone 5] (desktop does)
A vanilla Protostar as the template applied...
...Submit form on front end...
...Success - does work on a browser within an app on a mobile phone</p>
have you tried it on a browser - within an app - on a mobile phone
I have the opportunity to use Master Bootstrap
with Joomla 3.6.4 and Seblod (3.8 or 3.9 when I started the project and
now updated to the current version).
I have not experienced any incompatibility.
there is a little thing I find annoying with Master Bootstrap menu
(this is yet not related to Seblod): you can quickly see sub menu items
before they were hidden in the menu bar. This happens as a blink effect.
can see this in the official site of Master Bootstrap but only with
Chrome and IE (as far as I remember); in Firefox everything is ok. Click on main menu links and see how sub menu items (under Joomla link) are blinking. But may be it is an easy to solve problem.
I've also tried a Joostrap template (but not with Seblod) a year ago. I can remember that there is a JS incompatibility which prevent smart search autocompletion to work well. And it seems that there is no new realese or update since a long time.
now I'm working with T3 Framework (I find it a bit complicated) and
BL4NK from BloogerSchmidt
like this one because it is very simple (it is not a framework that add
layers or new syntax but rather a bare template).
I'm not sure to well understand what you mean by "we blocked with always the same menu style/animation ?".
If I well remember, MasterBootstrap comes with mmenu jquery library to manage offcanvas menu on small screen (I think Joostrap templates too).
Yes you can add BS3 classes (in you index.php file or directly in Seblod Typo…), override component views, create module positions, add your own css styles (MasterBootstrap is using SASS). It is a full comptible Joomla! template.
What I meant is that we mainly select the template we want for each project according to some key elements such as the menu style.
This is why warp templates were convenient. Every month a new template was out. Same warp (or so) but with a different menu style and animation.
now we are looking for a lighter architecture we could master at 100%. If we go with MasterBootstrap I fear that we loose the ability to propose various menu styles and animations with the same template.
We can't have both ends I know but I'm trying to figure out the best architecture for a webagency
As a web developer you can create new menu styles and any other style variation yourself, this is what boostrap is made for - to ease development. Masterboostrap offers the same features as Boostrap 3 and nothing more.
If you are looking for readymade solutions you need to use one of templates that come with style variations and or use additional extensions e.g. for menu
MasterBootstrap comes with BS3 basic styles (buttons, labels…) but that's all. It is a naked template.
If you want to add your own menu system, I think it is a good choice. But you will need to add it by hand (add a new js library, override Joomla! menu module…).
You will need to create your own design too. It seems to be a big change in your method: instead of choosing a design in a 'catalog of templates', you will need to create mockups (with Sketch or Adobe XD) and corresponding css styles. More works than using a 'catalog' template but I find it is a more interresting way.
Don't get me wrong. I use the MasterBootstrap for one of my clients, too. - It is excellent, if you wan't to realize your own design ideas. - With Yootheme Warp 7 I got excellent and ready to use designs (Fonts, Colors, Spacings etc.) - based on solid frameworks (Warp 7, UIKit). -
- Why is it so complex to use Yootheme Pro with Seblod together (i.e. both use the article introtext field - will this change on Seblod side with Joomla 3.7 custom fields?)
- You suggest MasterBootstrap. Why not use the Warp 7 / UIkit instead? - There are a couple of great templates available - in terms of design much more ready to use than MasterBootstrap.
- What alternative template clubs could you Seblod users suggest - where I can buy layout/design inspirations - based on solid and scalable frontend frameworks?
If you're searching out of the box template, may I suggest JoomlArt templates. I have worked several times with T3 Framework which is the template framework JoomlArt has developped for its templates. T3 framework is based on BS3 so templates made with it are mobile first. I think that JoomlaBamboo templates are also made with T3 Framework.
To SimonD : now we use Warp7 templates but anyway spend a lot of time in the custom design for each customer. We very rarely use the warp7 template out of the box so the basic interrest of using already made templates is near to zero !
In the same time Warp7 adds so much complexity to the front end. So we combined both problems: complexity and custom design.
This is why I'm looking for a much lighter version. we will continue to propose custom designs anyway but on a more flexible architecture.
yes these are real improvements but it doesn't change the fact that the number of positions is very limited since the new approach is to embedd everything inside the contents!
this is the PAGE BUILDER approach that makes youtheme pro fully CMS independant (wordpress/joomla). However Joomla IS menu driven! Every rule is related to the menu items.
Breaking this rule makes something very weird.
Moreover the page builder and the seblod plugin conflict each other: without seblod the article editor allows you to embed the page builder but once you have seblod you no longer work with com_content but com_cck and the pagebuidler is gone
for a moment forget about the Page Builder. For people thinking from the database side, the Page Builder is a very strange animal. ;-)
But it is not just Yootheme going this direction - JoomlaArt is doing the same with its Site Builder. - It is important to understand: building a website with Yootheme Pro you do not need to use the Page Builder! - You can uses the Page Builder on single pages only, anyways. It's not possible to use it on Blogs (directly) as well as on Seblod content.
Anyways, the Builder approach - with its "Elements" - is quite interesting and offers amazing flexibility and improved my development speed quite a bit. Since summer 2017 Yootheme offers the Builder (don't confuse with the Page Builder) as a Joomla module. - There things starts to get very interesting.
You may use the Builder in all Joomla positions - i. e. in the Top or Bottom position: this way it is very easy and fast to construct (or rather configure) complex Footer sections; on multi-language sites you must ignore the Yootheme Pro Footer anyways (it won't work) - and construct your footer with the Builder in the Bottom section. - There are two Builder Elements very interesting for Seblod developers: J! Module and J! Position. This way it is possible to plug in Seblod content anywhere. This Yootheme Pro Elements works on Builder and Page Builder.
I use the Advanced Module Manager, too. - You can use all fine rules of the Module Manager to show or hide Modules, even if you do use Modules with the J! Module Element of the Builder; ... and of course most Module positions are still there.
Things are changing, especially in Frontend development. Yootheme Pro tries to keep up with this development, this is obvious. - Anyways, Yootheme did a disastrous job on communicating Yootheme Pro. - I was swearing on them for almost a year. - As you, I am not happy with all their technical design decisions. -
After working with Yootheme Pro on a couple of projects, at least I can understand their point of view - its worth a recheck.